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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://passthesource.org.nz/2009/07/27/apple-to-users-youre-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another article on the same subject, this time from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jul/29/iphone-apps&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Guardian&lt;/a&gt;.

But reading these articles does raise a question (for me at least): until the cost of building an iPhone reduces to the point that the phone carrier doesn&#039;t need to subsidise the object for it to be affordable for most people, won&#039;t their interest in protecting their call and SMS revenues be manifested in contracts with phone manufacturers to the extent that apps such as Google voice get booted from app stores?

Alternatively, what you could have is an app store which had an authentication process to see whether you paid for the phone outright, or are on a contract which subsidises/finances the cost of the phone.  If you&#039;ve bought outright, you can download an app which enables free voice and SMS etc; if you&#039;re on a subsidy/financing plan, you can&#039;t until X months later when the cost of the hardware has been paid off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another article on the same subject, this time from <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jul/29/iphone-apps" rel="nofollow">the Guardian</a>.</p>
<p>But reading these articles does raise a question (for me at least): until the cost of building an iPhone reduces to the point that the phone carrier doesn&#8217;t need to subsidise the object for it to be affordable for most people, won&#8217;t their interest in protecting their call and SMS revenues be manifested in contracts with phone manufacturers to the extent that apps such as Google voice get booted from app stores?</p>
<p>Alternatively, what you could have is an app store which had an authentication process to see whether you paid for the phone outright, or are on a contract which subsidises/finances the cost of the phone.  If you&#8217;ve bought outright, you can download an app which enables free voice and SMS etc; if you&#8217;re on a subsidy/financing plan, you can&#8217;t until X months later when the cost of the hardware has been paid off.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://passthesource.org.nz/2009/07/27/apple-to-users-youre-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if any further evidence were needed ...

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/27/apple-is-growing-rotten-to-the-core-and-its-likely-atts-fault/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if any further evidence were needed &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/27/apple-is-growing-rotten-to-the-core-and-its-likely-atts-fault/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/27/apple-is-growing-rotten-to-the-core-and-its-likely-atts-fault/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  There&#039;s a delicious typo at the end of the abstract for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119702895/abstract?CRETRY=1&amp;SRETRY=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  There&#8217;s a delicious typo at the end of the abstract for <a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119702895/abstract?CRETRY=1&amp;SRETRY=0" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://passthesource.org.nz/2009/07/27/apple-to-users-youre-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Don, 

It&#039;s poorly regulated capitalism, I grant you (presumably why the French were considering legal action to force Apple to open iTunes to other gadgets, or iPods to other software, I forget which), but it would seem to be the logical conclusion of market capitalism: create a market, then try to dominate it and create barriers to entry for others for as long as possible so you can milk the profits for as long as possible.  It&#039;s what MS did with operating systems and word processing software etc.  Presumably it&#039;s also where Google is going in the long run, by trying to create a super-attractive offering of inter-operability within its cloud.

You&#039;re right that alternatives do exist, and yet more will be created in the future.  You&#039;ve highlighted some and there are - of course - plenty of alternatives in the market for operating systems.  But doesn&#039;t that confirm my point: the values underpinning Apple &amp; MS&#039;s kind of capitalism guide them towards making everything as easy as possible for customers to stick with their brand, and as hard as possible to leave.  As far as I understand them, the values of FOSS-style capitalism are quite different - about empowering people, enabling them to make intelligent choices.  The sort of choices that you might be faced with when booting up a new install of a music storage and playback piece of software, e.g. &#039;Do you want you music you rip stored in an open file format for maximum transferrability, or would you prefer to trade-off some of that transferrability for a file format which takes up less hard disk space?&#039;

I think people have become scared of all the &#039;choice&#039; they&#039;re offered, and trade-off flexibility (of Android, Pre, etc) for perceived security and functionality.  They may be misperceptions, but they are common enough for Apple et al to exploit.

Anyway... back to work.  This was written during a post-lunch brain slowdown, so possibly doesn&#039;t have the greatest intellectual coherence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Don, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s poorly regulated capitalism, I grant you (presumably why the French were considering legal action to force Apple to open iTunes to other gadgets, or iPods to other software, I forget which), but it would seem to be the logical conclusion of market capitalism: create a market, then try to dominate it and create barriers to entry for others for as long as possible so you can milk the profits for as long as possible.  It&#8217;s what MS did with operating systems and word processing software etc.  Presumably it&#8217;s also where Google is going in the long run, by trying to create a super-attractive offering of inter-operability within its cloud.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that alternatives do exist, and yet more will be created in the future.  You&#8217;ve highlighted some and there are &#8211; of course &#8211; plenty of alternatives in the market for operating systems.  But doesn&#8217;t that confirm my point: the values underpinning Apple &amp; MS&#8217;s kind of capitalism guide them towards making everything as easy as possible for customers to stick with their brand, and as hard as possible to leave.  As far as I understand them, the values of FOSS-style capitalism are quite different &#8211; about empowering people, enabling them to make intelligent choices.  The sort of choices that you might be faced with when booting up a new install of a music storage and playback piece of software, e.g. &#8216;Do you want you music you rip stored in an open file format for maximum transferrability, or would you prefer to trade-off some of that transferrability for a file format which takes up less hard disk space?&#8217;</p>
<p>I think people have become scared of all the &#8216;choice&#8217; they&#8217;re offered, and trade-off flexibility (of Android, Pre, etc) for perceived security and functionality.  They may be misperceptions, but they are common enough for Apple et al to exploit.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; back to work.  This was written during a post-lunch brain slowdown, so possibly doesn&#8217;t have the greatest intellectual coherence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If iTunes is a private club, then it can include or exclude whoever it likes. Once again, the (Groucho) Marxist dictum of not wanting to join any club that would have me as a member seems like a safe approach. However, Apple doesn&#039;t advertise iTunes as a club: it offers an ITunes store. I cannot think of any real-world store that only allows access to one class of person. Is it legal in NZ for a store to restrict access in this way? Could a shop on Lambton Quay put up a sign saying, for example, &quot;Only people with Snapper cards allowed to shop here&quot;? Or is it legal but stupid?

BTW transferring files just worked for me. I plugged a USB stick into my MacBook, dragged the files onto it, removed the USB stick, plugged it into a Linux netbook running Ubuntu, and ... there were the files. Isn&#039;t that the way it&#039;s supposed to work? YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If iTunes is a private club, then it can include or exclude whoever it likes. Once again, the (Groucho) Marxist dictum of not wanting to join any club that would have me as a member seems like a safe approach. However, Apple doesn&#8217;t advertise iTunes as a club: it offers an ITunes store. I cannot think of any real-world store that only allows access to one class of person. Is it legal in NZ for a store to restrict access in this way? Could a shop on Lambton Quay put up a sign saying, for example, &#8220;Only people with Snapper cards allowed to shop here&#8221;? Or is it legal but stupid?</p>
<p>BTW transferring files just worked for me. I plugged a USB stick into my MacBook, dragged the files onto it, removed the USB stick, plugged it into a Linux netbook running Ubuntu, and &#8230; there were the files. Isn&#8217;t that the way it&#8217;s supposed to work? YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew

I take your points but keep in mind I was talking about the default Apple settings, IOW the ones they intend everyone to use.

&lt;i&gt;It may not be pretty, or intelligent in the long run, but it’s market capitalism.&lt;/i&gt;

Umm, it&#039;s exactly the opposite of market capitalism. It relies on monopolistic control of a market segment to extract super normal profits. It is corporate state-ism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew</p>
<p>I take your points but keep in mind I was talking about the default Apple settings, IOW the ones they intend everyone to use.</p>
<p><i>It may not be pretty, or intelligent in the long run, but it’s market capitalism.</i></p>
<p>Umm, it&#8217;s exactly the opposite of market capitalism. It relies on monopolistic control of a market segment to extract super normal profits. It is corporate state-ism.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.. not wanting to sound like a fanboy, but I suspect this comes down the awareness of the user when setting up iTunes in the first place.  I&#039;ve always ensured that when I was ripping my (legally purchased) CDs to iTunes that I ripped them into what I understand to be an open format, i.e. MP3.  My guess is that the default format for new iTunes installations is to rip into Apple&#039;s AAC format, and that if users don&#039;t alter that preference setting, that&#039;s where the problem starts.

I suspect that if MS had won this battle and Zunes were the dominant player in the market (don&#039;t fall off your chair laughing) people would be writing about the problems of accessing and shifting music stored in WMA format.

It&#039;s not surprising that Apple close off iTunes to non-Apple devices: they make the serious money from flogging iPods, not from distributing bits on behalf of record labels and film companies.  At the end of the day a company is going to do what it can to protect its revenue stream.  It may not be pretty, or intelligent in the long run, but it&#039;s market capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.. not wanting to sound like a fanboy, but I suspect this comes down the awareness of the user when setting up iTunes in the first place.  I&#8217;ve always ensured that when I was ripping my (legally purchased) CDs to iTunes that I ripped them into what I understand to be an open format, i.e. MP3.  My guess is that the default format for new iTunes installations is to rip into Apple&#8217;s AAC format, and that if users don&#8217;t alter that preference setting, that&#8217;s where the problem starts.</p>
<p>I suspect that if MS had won this battle and Zunes were the dominant player in the market (don&#8217;t fall off your chair laughing) people would be writing about the problems of accessing and shifting music stored in WMA format.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not surprising that Apple close off iTunes to non-Apple devices: they make the serious money from flogging iPods, not from distributing bits on behalf of record labels and film companies.  At the end of the day a company is going to do what it can to protect its revenue stream.  It may not be pretty, or intelligent in the long run, but it&#8217;s market capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh. I&#039;ve had just as much trouble going from Windows to Linux and vice versa. Usually easier going from open to closed but not always. It&#039;s your choice how closed you keep any system, and you do that in the selection of applications you make. I don&#039;t use iTunes, I use Songbird. I rarely use Quicktime, preferring VLC. Yes, Apple have a walled garden, but there are plenty of ways to build an open deck that crosses the boundary and makes the wall irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh. I&#8217;ve had just as much trouble going from Windows to Linux and vice versa. Usually easier going from open to closed but not always. It&#8217;s your choice how closed you keep any system, and you do that in the selection of applications you make. I don&#8217;t use iTunes, I use Songbird. I rarely use Quicktime, preferring VLC. Yes, Apple have a walled garden, but there are plenty of ways to build an open deck that crosses the boundary and makes the wall irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My love affair with Apple (it lasted 25 years) ended this Christmas when I  had to spend three weeks converting my iTunes library to an open format...

I always thought these tools were there to &lt;em&gt;help&lt;/em&gt; me get stuff done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My love affair with Apple (it lasted 25 years) ended this Christmas when I  had to spend three weeks converting my iTunes library to an open format&#8230;</p>
<p>I always thought these tools were there to <em>help</em> me get stuff done.</p>
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		<title>By: Apple to Users &#8211; You&#8217;re iDiots &#124; UK Web Designer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple to Users &#8211; You&#8217;re iDiots &#124; UK Web Designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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